I'm going to let it cure thoroughly and then give it a whirl. Same here, I have never had a problem with Testors Lacquer dull or gloss either. Then allow time for any airborne dust to settle. They remind me a lot of the original, pre-Testor Floquil, but with much less smell. Can this be done w/o removing […] Yes but you have to use the right primer. Gloss Black Lacquer Spray Rust-Oleum Specialty 11 oz. With MM enamels becoming harder to get, it may be a good alternative. Lacquer woodwork finishes are available in a number of sheens. From the original questioner: The piece is a small cabinet with multiple surfaces that need some burn in repairs and a couple small dents repaired. Apply a barrier coat of shellac between … If this were you, how would you go about sealing the oil based primer? The key to success is to make sure the oil has fully dried first. You can spray enamel over lacquer but as you have discovered you can't spray lacquer over fresh enamel. If you used lacquer to … Is the Target product an acrylic finish or a co-polymer combo such as a piggyback resin - polyurethane/acrylic or other? You will need to ask the painter for specifics. You need to know what KIND of paint is in the spray can. Polyurethane will not bond or grip well with the lacquer and will peel off over time with general use. This makes it easier to see what you’ve done and to Enamel generally goes over well cured lacquer just fine. From contributor C: To participate you must either login or register for an account. Rust-Oleum Specialty 11 oz. Lacquer finish helps seal wood for lasting durability. Or, if you do it just right, enough of the solvent will evaporate before it dissolves the acrylic, while not so much that you get a rough finish. As lacquer (any paint) dries it shrinks. It has been thoroughly sanded down to get it nice and smooth, would this make it okay to go ahead and lacquer over it or do I need to coat it with something Then the varnish goes on top. Years ago when using Floquil paints it was required to use their barrier over the plastic, then you could spray the Jim, I can not imagine a problem with spraying lacquer over urethane, I don't believe there is a compatibility issue at all. Lacquer paints dry to a hard shell, leaving a very thin paint film. But, if you have some spare plastic, i'd do a small test just to be sure. On your point on removing the tape before it fully kicks, man on man are you right on the money. I thinned it approx. Dust Collection, Safety and Plant Operation, Job Opportunities and Woodworking Services, A touch-up and repair problem brings on a discussion of finish compatibility issues, yellowing, burn-in, and more. So far, I've sprayed two of their colors, RAF sky type S and RAF dark earth. The confusion often comes from the fact that shellac comes from the lac beetle, but lacquer does not. I'm wondering why you�re even thinking of using nitro over Target if you know that? (Finishing Forum) Second, polyurethane is not the best choice for painting over lacquer finishes. You want that process done. Lacquer can be over-coated with other lacquer, paints, or enamels and acrylics. Hot lacquer is tough stuff. View our, Tools, Techniques, and Reference Materials, From: From the Mit, but live in Mason, O high ho. Incidently, this was my first time using the Hataka paint. Yes, you can paint over lacquered surfaces provided that you have prepared the surface well so that it has no imperfection that can compromise your project. Because of the similarity of the names, lacquer is often confused with shellac. Yes, the lacquer could easily destroy the underlying acrylic. Some ideal locations for drying flowers include attics, closets and basements as long as they have low levels of humidity. There are risks to spraying any type of solvent lacquer over any existing, and older, paint or finish. It doesn't matter much what the lacquer is under the enamel top coat as long as the lacquer was well cured. 50-50 with their thinner, sprayed it at 20 psi using a Grex TG brush. If you used enamel to paint the model, use enamel to clear coat. Don't over-do the shellac when you're top coating with lacquer; you want to keep the shellac thin. You cannot paint latex straight over lacquer,have to prime with lacquer undercoat. Real lacquer thinner is really hot. It sprayed beautifully, covered well with about 3 light coats, and dried almost dead flat very quickly. Not very familiar with shellac. I'm very pleased with them so far. It seems to be good stuff. One coat is not enough. Instead, lacquer is derived from the resin of a specific tree commonly referred to as a varnish tree. Both sprayed beautifully. They have different cure rates/dry times. Are you saying you have no acrylic to use over the necessary repairs? Some paints claim to be 100% acrylic but arent. Also, don’t use brushing lacquer. You want that process done. A pre catalyzed lacquer is better, and a post catalyzed is even better. Lacquer is commonly u… Whether glossy or matte, these finishes provide a thick layer of coverage to protect the wood. This resin is harvested from the tree's sap and is then refined and mixed with lacquer thinner to create the common woodworking finish . There are now acrylic lacquers, and I don't know whether those are okay over other paints. There are other types of clearcoat and not all of them are compatible with Place the clothes hanger in a dry area with good circulation for 1 to 2 weeks to allow the flowers to dry. My speculation is that it dries so fast it doesn't have time to affect undercoats. If you work with a dirty or poorly prepared surface, your paint will not If these don't work, you can indeed overcoat the lacquer with varnish, after a light scuff-sanding of the entire surface. How fresh or old is the target coating? Obviously I was hoping that's how it was. Thanks again to all  who responded. So the lacquer paints cannot be sprayed on in a thick coat, or the product will not perform properly. Hey Don,question,Your not talking about stuff like Testors Lacquer dull or gloss,I have sprayed them over everything with no problems. If the opaque surface is confined deep within the finish, it will still exist, and you will have to sand through to it! Does it have a catalyst to it or not? When you work on antiques most of the time you can just touch up the finish with lacquer. You're very welcome. Lacquer over almost any paint is a problem- but that refers to real lacquer. As far as your spray gun It can be used for Yes, it's true that enamel can be sprayed on top of lacquer, and SOME lacquers are safe over enamelsbut why in the world would you purposely get into this situation in the first place? July 3, 2008. It is just a bad product to use. Just as you can over any Drying Oil. Just to be safe I would spray a small area to test it first just to be sure. However, the dust created is a problem, since it could end up settling in the lacquer when wet. For these reasons, lacquer is a good undercoat for any other paint product. It's good to know there is another option in a paint maunfacturer. When you spray lacquer over a solvent-based acrylic finish, they combine to form a hybrid film, even if the acrylic is pigmented to form a paint. Sanding sealer has stearates in it to soften it and make it sand easier. I have heard that one way or the other is a no-no, but I can't remember which. This is a fast-drying spray. Instead, use an alkyd varnish. On another note, lacquer over enamel can be a problem because lacquer can chemically attack the enamel causing wrinkles ( especially if the enamel is fairly fresh) , eaten paint etc, or just soft spots. Generally, lacquer is a poor finish when compared with many other finishes. Painting Over Lacquer For you to get it right at the first trial, this article gives a step-by-step guide on how to paint lacquered surfaces. Run your hand over the frame during a "dry phase" to ensure that the surface is perfectly smooth. Sand everything to be sprayed first to get it out of the way so you can clean your workspace thoroughly afterward. I'll let it cure a bit more and have at it. Thank you very much. Forum Responses Can it be top-coated with NC lacquer? You can attach multiple bundles to each hanger. Our community is FREE to join. Spray a couple of light “dusting” coats of finish and let them dry thoroughly before applying a wet coat. Sanding is necessary because lacquer will highlight defects once applied. Lacquer As lacquer ( any paint) dries it shrinks. Mohawk sells plenty of acrylic spray bombs you can buy and keep on hand for patch work or bulk for total recoat and of course if you know what type of acrylic it is you can use target. It sounds odd, but they don't want a thin coat of epoxy over the lacquer You may need to apply more coats of acrylic varnish to … Thanks to all . Position your work so that you can see the reflection of a wet coat. Hot lacquer will eat plastic parts if it doesn't dry quick enough, enamel won't for instance. One good coat is all you need. In the future, I'll stick with one or the other, but the MM couldn't be found at the time and the Hataka was readily available. A customer has asked me to spray w/ lacquer her guest bathroom vanity, drawer fronts and doors which have been painted w/ latex paint. I sprayed it on heavy and wet and it worked just fine. Gloss Black Lacquer Spray Paint adds an ultra-hard, factory-like finish to furniture and accessories. A wet application can cause many paints and finishes to wrinkle or blister, even an old coat of lacquer itself. “Paint” and “spray paint” are too ambiguous. One or two coats thinned with lacquer thinner is all you need. Will it need a sealer coat of some sort in between? Alkyd varnishes are a polyester resin that will adhere better and repair more easily. Sprayed them all over just about everything. Lacquer is a fairly strong substance, that's why it can actually attack and wrinkle bare plastic when airbrushed over. Clean the USL with denatured alcohol, fine sand with 400 grit and then apply your fresh lacquer. Yes, you can apply nitro lacquer over Target USL. I have a piece that was sprayed with Target water-based lacquer but has some damage needing re-spraying. Avoid using lacquer retarder, even if this means waiting for drier or cooler weather. Spray-can finishing isn’t tough, but a few tips can help you achieve better-looking results: Provide good light. Too thick and it can lead to pre-mature cracking/crazing down the road. Lacquer solvents vary some from acrylic solvents and may cause reaction problems if they don�t you�re still applying a coating that has different expansion parameters to a degree and it could end up cracking later down the line. When you spray lacquer over a solvent-based acrylic finish, they combine to form a hybrid film, even if the acrylic is pigmented to form a paint. It states that although spraying their epoxy primer over lacquer can be done, there is a recommendation to spray it all in one day, along with color and clear. It isn't unusual to clear-coat an acrylic paint finish on a metal surface, such as on an But that is speculation. It is just a bad product to use. Can I spray Model Master Enamel over Hataka Orange Line lacquer without causing a problem ? You can paint over lacquered woodwork, but only if you prep well. The problem is the lacquer thinner in the lacquer. I will eventually give Hataka a try. We have done quite a bit of What you say makes perfect sense, now you have me wondering why the above has NOT attacked my underlying paints. True, and I don't know why. In short; you CAN apply a lacquer or a polyurethane over a Danish oil. I believe this is true as well. I sprayed a test panel last night, MM RAF dark green over Hataka dark earth. First determine if the paint has been clear coated in any way already. The lacquer is capable of solving the shellac and becoming attached well with the acrylic but I would still advise against it unless you feel you have absolutely no other choice. They have different cure rates/dry times. Even if it has varnish on it, its so old, hard and dry you can get away with putting lacquer over it as long as you don't flood a wet coat on it You can lacguer over Acrylic paint as long as it's 100% acrylic. A varnish (or varnished look) can be achieved with products or combinations of products that include polyurethanes, lacquers, epoxies, etc. The primer for Lacquer is sanding sealer. Or maybe there is no just right, and you'll ruin the whole thing. There are several things to consider when lacquering over painted wood. Sanding sealer should never be applied in thick coats. Enamel is mild by comparison. It isn't unusual to clear-coat an acrylic paint finish on a metal surface, such as on an automobile, with CAB- acrylic or acrylic lacquer . If it was lacquer you can put enamel or lacquer over it but the first paint must be completely cured… like 2 … I Hobby lacquer less so. Thanks Normally, you would apply the shellac first as it is a sealing coat. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. Question Not only Testor's Dull and Glosscote, but also all the flavors of Alclad Klear (lacquers, not the aqua acrylic). Also, can you spray lacquer over acrylic? Lacquer can cause the paint to bubble or crack due to the very hot solvent that is a part of lacquer. By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. On another note, lacquer over enamel can be a problem because lacquer can chemically attack the enamel causing wrinkles (especially if the enamel is fairly fresh), eaten paint etc, or just soft spots. I often spray Dullcoat or Glosscoat over enamel, and have even done it over acrylics, but I try to avoid the latter unless it has dried for many days. No bubbling, crazing, or etchng at all. Can I spray this over lacquer? 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